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CLARIFY: Adding cabinet pull-outs/hardware/pull-down doors
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November 3, 2016 - 2:47 pm
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Ness:
I went through the bill of materials:
3/4″: top, sides, uprights, shelves, doors, plinth, uprights, and divides.
5/8″: drawer sides, bottoms, back, and fronts.
These look good to me, what am I missing?
Thanks,
Jack

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November 3, 2016 - 2:36 pm
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Hi Jack,

What handles are you going to use?

If the thicknesses are all OK I can send you the working documents.

However, note that this project is set up using panel material with no edging.

You might want to add edging to have the correct panel cutting lists.

Please take time to check all the details of the attached Polyboard model before I process your project.

The cabinet file service allows only one production document output per project so future processing will require purchasing another CabinetFile.

All the best,

Ness

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November 3, 2016 - 2:22 pm
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Hi Ness,
I like the look of version jack01v02-1-3D with the handles I intend to use. Can we take that one to press?
Thanks,
Jack

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Hi Jack,

I would suggest that you have 2 options:

Fastest and simplest option, you want a clean modern design with flush facades : build with veneered oak panels

Second option, you want a more traditional look with framed doors and drawer fronts : build carcass with veneered panels and facades with thinner veneered panels and solid framing.

The second option requires adding assembly details to facades:

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In both cases we need to know the final thickness of all the different parts.

All the best,

Ness

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November 3, 2016 - 8:07 am
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Hi Jack,

I would suggest that you have 2 options:

Fastest and simplest option, you want a clean modern design with flush facades : build with veneered oak panels

Second option, you want a more traditional look with framed doors and drawer fronts : build carcass with veneered panels and facades with thinner veneered panels and solid framing.

The second option requires adding assembly details to facades:

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In both cases we need to know the final thickness of all the different parts.

All the best,

Ness

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October 31, 2016 - 2:40 pm
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Ness said

 Hi Jack,

HI NESS,
THE PICTURE LOOKS GREAT!

In this version I’ve set the materials to “generic 0190” type 3/4 (19mm) and “generic 0160”  3/8 (16mm).

OK
I’ve also adjusted the top side drawers so that they are the same facade height.

GREAT

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If you are making this in solid wood you’ll should use a frame and panel structure to set this up click a panel and then go to the properties Structure>edit>assembly.

YOU LOST ME. DO YOU WANT ME TO CHANGE THE CABINET STRUCTURE?

See this video: 6. Using Quick Design Panels Structures Libraries 

on the Quick Design  advanced page here:

https://wooddesigner.org/membe…..-advanced/

WATCHED THE VIDEO BUT HAD TROUBLE FOLLOWING. AM I TO MAKE THESE CHANGES AND APPLY TO ENTIRE STRUCTURE.?

However, you might consider using framed construction for the doors and drawer facades but sheet material for the carcass. This would make the build easier and much faster.

I AM OK DOING THIS, BUT IS THIS FOR THE CABINET WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON, OR DOES IT RELATE TO THE BOOKSHELF QUESTION I HAD?

It all depends on the style you looking for.

Do you have any photos that would show us what you are aiming at?

All the best,

Ness

THANKS NESS

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 Hi Jack,

In this version I’ve set the materials to “generic 0190” type 3/4 (19mm) and “generic 0160”  3/8 (16mm).

I’ve also adjusted the top side drawers so that they are the same facade height.

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If you are making this in solid wood you’ll should use a frame and panel structure to set this up click a panel and then go to the properties Structure>edit>assembly.

See this video: 6. Using Quick Design Panels Structures Libraries 

on the Quick Design  advanced page here:

https://wooddesigner.org/membe…..-advanced/

However, you might consider using framed construction for the doors and drawer facades but sheet material for the carcass. This would make the build easier and much faster.

It all depends on the style you looking for.

Do you have any photos that would show us what you are aiming at?

All the best,

Ness

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October 30, 2016 - 2:57 pm
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Ness:
My library extension is -en. Don’t know why I am getting the French?
Jack

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Ness said

Hi Jack,

Thanks for your feed back.

For the materials, when you say red oak do you mean you are using solid timber, laminated board or veneered boards?

THAT IS SOLID TIMBER.

The finished thickness’s can be different as well as if you are using veneered boards we’ll have to set up edging. SOLID TIMBER

In the actual design there is also different wood for the facades and carcass, do you want to keep this? FACADES WILL ALSO BE OAK,SOLID TIMBER. I COULD NOT FIGURE OUT HOW TO PUT A FACADE ON A BOOKCASE I AM WORKIMG ON. WHERE DO I NEED TO LOOK?

As well as this as you are using the standard Quick Design (french named) materials  the backs are in 8mm(15/16″) and the drawers bottoms are set to 16mm(5/8″).

I would suggest that you harmonise the materials either by only using 3/4″ and 5/8″ boards by setting the back to 5/8″or set the drawer bottoms to 8mm as well which will make the drawers lighter and cheaper to build. LET’S GO WITH 5/8″ ON BOTH.

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Grain direction can be set for each board in the Properties>Materials options:

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Otherwise great project and I’m looking forwards to seeing it built.

All the best,

THANKS! JACK

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Hi Jack,

Thanks for your feed back.

For the materials, when you say red oak do you mean you are using solid timber, laminated board or veneered boards?

The finished thickness’s can be different as well as if you are using veneered boards we’ll have to set up edging.

In the actual design there is also different wood for the facades and carcass, do you want to keep this?

As well as this as you are using the standard Quick Design (french named) materials  the backs are in 8mm(15/16″) and the drawers bottoms are set to 16mm(5/8″).

I would suggest that you harmonise the materials either by only using 3/4″ and 5/8″ boards by setting the back to 5/8″or set the drawer bottoms to 8mm as well which will make the drawers lighter and cheaper to build.

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Grain direction can be set for each board in the Properties>Materials options:

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Otherwise great project and I’m looking forwards to seeing it built.

All the best,

Ness

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October 29, 2016 - 6:58 pm
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Ness said

Hi Jack,

It’s possible that you can’t load my model because your Polyboard is not up to date.
I UPDATED THE SOFTWARE AND THAT DID THE TRICK.

To correct this, just go to the download page and reinstall.

For you design the easiest way to add a base would be to create a plinth and extend the sides. I wanted to suggest you add a base like this but forgot to mention it in my last post.
LOOKS GREAT.

I’ve set up some hardware that applies the dowel slider stop to a sliding shelf. Here’s a screen capture of a simple cabinet with the hardware applied:

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I’ve also added it to your model and the side and sliding shelf look like this now:
THANKS.

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I’ve made the following adjustments to your design: LOVE IT.

– made the facade elements to be flush

– made all joints blind dodos which make for a much cleaner design.

– extended the top over the front 

– added a base

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This design should work fine and you can tweak the file I’m sending.

The only problem is the sliding shelf pulls.

To keep the clean design, I would put a “push to open” latch  to the back of the shelf so that a push on the front will release the spring and push the shelf out. Pushing the shelf back in will click the ratchet and the shelf will then stay in place.
LOVE THE CLEAN DESIGN. LET’S UDE THE ‘PUSH TO OPEN’. I WILL THEN USE KNOBS AND HANDLES ON THE DOORS AND MAIN DRAWERS.

You might also consider using a push to open drawer sliders that would then also replace the dowel stops.

To finalise the design we also need to do now is to set up the correct materials. I WILL BE USING RED OAK BUT . I TRIED TO ADD TO THE STRUCTURE BUT COULD NOT GET THE GRAIN DIRECTION. I AM THINKING HORIZONTAL FOR THE DRAWERS AND MAYBE VERTICLE ON THE DOORS FOR STRENGTH?
WHERE IS SPECIFIC GRAIN DIRECTION ON THE MENU?
You have designed using Quick Design  materials and for some reason you are using the French version of the libraries. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I DO NOT SEE ANY FRENCH.

Can you post the real thicknesses of the different panels you’ll be using? THIS HAS ME BAFFLED. I SEE THE USE OF 3/4″ AND 5/8″. WHAT AM I MISSING?

All the best, THANKS. LOOKS LIKE WE ARE THERE AND I AM GETTING TO BUILD SOMETHING.

Ness

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