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Rotating grain in Optinest
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September 23, 2021 - 12:07 pm
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That seems to have done it.

 

Thanks

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Hi,

 

The problem has been solved in a new optinest version 2.31Q. I send the installer for that version on your email via wetransfer 

 

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I think we are misundstanding each other.

 

We understand and use both the grain and grain matching (where applicable depending on the project).

 

If in a project where we are using a material that has grain (so it is correctly limited to only rotate at 180 degree incredments) and we have accidently got the grain in the wrong direction on a single piece. We are able and do manually tweak the direction of the grain 90 degrees in optinest using the following feature...

 

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This is much quicker and easier than going back into Polyboard, finding the cabinet, then finding the piece required, altering the grain direction in polyboard and finally re-exporting with all of the grain direction in the correct direction.

 

If the project also has some grain matching in it, we are unable to do this quicker workflow and have to go back to Polyboard. We are unable to rotate a piece 90 degrees even if it is not a piece that is being grain matched.

 

I can understand that this would not work if the piece had grain matching but I cant understand why it doesnt work on a piece that is not grain matched.

 

I have not attached the files as it sounds like you have managed to replicate the issue.

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Hi ,

 

We have re-checked this and the rule is as follow.

 

Unless we missed something, it seems that there is a major confusion
since "Grain" and "Grain Matching" are independent.

If the original material in PolyBoard has grain, the rotation of exported
parts in OptiNest will be limited to 180°, regardless of whether there is
a grain matching or not.

If you want parts to rotate, you should use a material with no grain.

If there is a case that contradicts this rule, please send us all files.

 

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Sorry for not attaching the file, It should it on to this post.

 

We get the grain direction right 99% of the time, be as we do bespoke work and never do a repeat there are often (most exports) that we dont get the grain direction right on every piece. We double check these in Optinest and can manually tweak them there, unless we have some grain matching in the project which we then cant. We have tried adding a secondary texture to the library that has a more obvious grain pattern by including lines drawn in the direction of the grain over the top of the texture of the normal grain. But this doesnt allow us to quickly to screenshots of the program to send to customers that look right. See example below

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I know if we got it right in Polyboard it would be much simpler but when a project has 15 cabinets and there are often about 150 pieces of each material it is easy to get one or two of them wrong. Having to then go back and edit the material in Polyboard is possible but is time consuming and feels more like a bug in optinest rather than a feature.

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Hi,

 

I just ran a test and indeed when grain matching is used no pieces can be rotated on the panel but on the other hand why would you rotate a piece in Optinest? Does this mean that your project view is not correct from the start? Otherwise, I do not see the urge to rotate a part in optinest. 

If the project view is correct but the output to optinest is wrong then you have to look at the orientation of your texture as you have to differentiate 2 aspects.

Rotation of the grain direction will be solving the 3D view but the initial alignment needs to be correct. It can very well be that the texture view is vertical and that the direction in the material is indicating along the cabinet width. This means that the original texture's orientation is wrong.

 

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Hi ,

 

Your files are not attached. 

 

please add the optinest and polyboard files

 

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We are unable to rotate the grain direction of a piece in optinest. This seems to only happen when we have got at least 2 of the pieces grain matched. I can understand that these pairs should only be able to rotate whilst still being grain matched. But I dont understand why I cant rotate a piece that is nothing to do with the grain matching.

 

I am using Optinest 2.31p. A file is attached. The piece that is on sheet 3 is the piece I would like to rotate.

 

I realise that I can go back into Polyboard to alter the grain direction of that single piece but this can be very time consuming if a project has about 15 different materials in it.

 

Please can this be looked into. Thanks

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