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CNC files for Homag BHX 050 and Biesse Rover Gold
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Hi Antony,

V36 have several disadvantages:

– not as strong as minifix and dowel,

– the v36 is not flush to the panel so can create problems and interfere with other hardware like drawers

– is very bulky so very visible and in aesthetic  on the cabinet panel

This is why we are actually testing an accessory that we developed that will enable you to machine from the face of a panel to insert a standard minifix and dowel or a special self locking dowel. In both cases the joint will be as strong as the minifix dowel, flush to the panel and the only a 6mm hole will be visible on the panel surface.

Actually under development and test we are hoping to get the first test samples ready for September or October.

If your interested we could send you a an example when ready.

All the best,

Ness

hi ness, i would be interested in this please, sounds magic haha

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Hi Antony,

Sounds as if the CNC is using Bsolid rather than Biesse Works that needs CID files.

For Bsolid we can use DXF or CIX.
We have many clients using these machines and there is no problem with compatability.
Here are a couple of our Partner Suppliers using Biesse with Polyboard :
https://atelierbois.net/sonnier/
https://atelierbois.net/gass/
We also have many others that are not Partner Suppliers.

However, in both cases it is necesary to set up the Polyboard post processor with the right tools, etc.

I attach a compressed file with some example cix and dxf set up for Biesse.
The DXF layer names are set up for auto tooling in Bsolid or Biesse Works. However, as stated the tool numbers/names and other parameters are not yet set up.
The DXF folder also contains the parts nested onto a sheet, this file comes directly from Optinest.
Our 2 Partner Suppliers are using Optinest with Polyboard and automatically inputting the Optinest DXF files into the Biesse machine.

Hope this is helpful.

best regards

Ness Tillson
tel: 33 (0) 476896607 | 33 (0) 664618343
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Le 27/07/2016 à 13:05, Antony S Brighton Venus Kitchen a écrit :
> Dear Ness,
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> Find below the conversation with Biesse regarding using optinest files in their nesting CNC.
> Advise me how to take it forward
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> Brighton
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> From: Keshava Murthy G <keshavamurthy.g@biesse.com>
> Date: Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 4:24 PM
> Subject: RE: NESTING FILES
> To: Antony S Brighton Venus Kitchen <brighton@venuskitchen.com>
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> Dear Sir,
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> We have checked in our software but our software is not able to understand the layers details of the files you sent.
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> So in order to run the nesting we need to have certain format that is .cix or .bpp
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> Anyone of the above two formats are needed to run the nesting, so please send the file in .cix or .bpp format so that we will try in Biesse works software.
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> Thanks & Regards
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> G KESHAVA MURTHY
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> E-mail: keshavamurthy.g@biessemnfg.com
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July 27, 2016 - 5:04 am
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Hi Antony,

V36 have several disadvantages:

– not as strong as minifix and dowel,

– the v36 is not flush to the panel so can create problems and interfere with other hardware like drawers

– is very bulky so very visible and in aesthetic  on the cabinet panel

This is why we are actually testing an accessory that we developed that will enable you to machine from the face of a panel to insert a standard minifix and dowel or a special self locking dowel. In both cases the joint will be as strong as the minifix dowel, flush to the panel and the only a 6mm hole will be visible on the panel surface.

Actually under development and test we are hoping to get the first test samples ready for September or October.

If your interested we could send you a an example when ready.

All the best,

Ness

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People say that VB 36 Connection is not strong as the dowel and mini fix connection. Is it true and what other fitting can be better for Nesting production.

Give me details about the other accessory you are developing for using mini fix without edge drilling 

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Thank you so much for your detailed reply and that helps

One question that comes to mind however is why are you nesting and then edge drilling?

With nested production you can generally save lots of time by doing away with edge drilling altogether ?

Most of our clients use VB36 or Rafix connectors that don’t require edge drilling.

In India many clients feel they need  edge banding even in the sides hidden while assembly. White using VB 36 we cannot edge band that edge. That is why. 

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Hi again,

Polyboard will output CIX for Bsolid or Bnest. You will then have to set up Bsolid or Bnest to filter the different tooling sequences.

All the best,

Ness

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They will need cix files as they would be using B-solid

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July 25, 2016 - 9:58 am
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Hi Antony,

Thanks for your question.

Happy to hear that the files worked ok.

There will be no problem setting up Polyboard to work with the Biesse CNC.

You can either use the same files for nesting and edge machining or we can set up 2 different post processeur configurations as necessary.

The best organisation will depend on the nesting software you use.

You can use Bnest the Biesse software or Optinest. We have many clients using Biesse with Optinest and it works very well as i also prints the right labels and managers stock and offcuts..

One question that comes to mind however is why are you nesting and then edge drilling?

With nested production you can generally save lots of time by doing away with edge drilling altogether ?

Most of our clients use VB36 or Rafix connectors that don’t require edge drilling.

If your interested, we are also developing an accessory that will enable you to use minifix connectors without edge drilling. This accessory will use standard minifix and only show a 6mm hole on the inside of the cabinet :

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What ever the solution you are going for Polyboard will work fine.

All the best,

Ness

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Hi Ness,

The files are OK except for the setting up of some tools program as you said.

Meanwhile we are considering to buy Nesting based automatic production using Biesse Rover S with horizontal drilling option.

So in the first pass the cnc will have to do all vertical drilling and cutting and in second pass after edge banding we’ll have to do the horizontal drilling. 

Would it be possible to create programs in that order by polyboard 

Kindly enlighten 

Thanks again 

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Hi Antony,

Nice to here that you are happy with Polyboard.

I attach the Homag (MPR) files and the Biesse (CID) files for simple cabinet .

Note that although you should be able to load these files into the machine CAD/CAM interface WoodWop or Biesseworks or Bsolid, they will not load automatically the tool paths until the tool numbers have been configured.

As well as this, real machining will probably also require setting up other parameters like rotation speed, avance, tool overlaps etc. in the Polyboard post processor and on your machine’s CAM software.

All the best,

Ness

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