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April 12, 2019 - 6:24 pm
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Hi Tom,

This seems to be another bug.

The sub method seems to apply 2 hardware elements one called back and the other front.

You can see this when you open the fitting link properties:

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If you erase the “Front” link it leaves the correct connection.

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I’ve asked the developers to look into this.

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Ness

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April 12, 2019 - 6:15 pm
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Hi Ness,

Cabinet attached

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Tom

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Hi Tom,

Can you post the cabinet?

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April 12, 2019 - 4:39 pm
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Thanks Ness, 

That’s looking to work well, thank you. 

I have applied a fixing link for biscuits on the face frame. when applying it as a sub method the link is coming through as 2, applying to both the front and back face of the face frame. Any thoughts?

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Tom

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Hi Tom, 

Polyboard has been updated with the bug fixed.

Please download the latest version from the downloads page.

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Hi Ness,

Does the bug you encountered cause this method not to work? I have tried what you suggested but don’t get the results i’m looking for..

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Tom

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Hi Tom,

To avoid this don’t groove the rail into the Top just make it overpassing.

However I noticed a bug when the overpassing panel is overlapping with a value greater that the height of the lateral zone.

I’ve told the developer team and they will be releasing a fixed version in the coming days.

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Sorry model and drawing attached this time…

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Hi Ness,

I have attached both the model and the printout. 

Because the method involves grooving the double back (faceframe) into the 0.5mm external zone, when applying a recess the 0.5mm external zone then comes through to the frontage by the amount of the recess (1mm) each side.

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Hi Tom,

I’m not sure what you mean here, can you send a couple of drawings or models to explain?

Or if you want we can do a quick Team Viewer session?

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Hi Ness,

Using the external zone method as you have described seemed to work well. And probably does if you don’t apply a recess and an overlap as I need to for the faceframe (something we did in training). The result when printing out the drawings is the top piece is dimensioned to the cabinet width plus the faceframe. The rest of the cabinet is dimensioned correctly. If I take away the recess and overlap then all pieces are dimensioned correctly. 

Any thoughts?

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Hi Tom,

As all facade elements continue to reference the actual carcass and not the front frame the slack values will always have to be adjusted to the actual frame positions.

You can set up all these values to come in automatically in the Doors and Drawers sub-methods.

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So I have increased the value of the top reference from 10 to 30mm. This give the drawer sides enough clearance. The drawer frontage is however still too high and referencing to the cabinet and not the face frame. So I give the drawer frontage a recess value of 24mm from the top. This looks to work. However how can this be set up as a manufacturing method?

I have also tried this with doors and obviously the same problem occurs. 

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Thanks Ness,

When I add some drawers to this method they don’t seem to take into account the face frame, in that the drawer sides and front intersect the upper faceframe. I have attached the model.

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Hi Tom,

If you create an Upper strip zone with a very small height you can place a double back and groove it into the top the depth of groove being the width of your rail.

To make it easier to select the upper strip volume, I’d suggest that you make it first big enough to select easily and then reduce to something like 0.01.

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It’s also possible to add a nil shelf in the cabinet and put a double back in the space but the upper strip  has the advantage that any uprights placed in the cabinet will meet up correctly with the top.

Hope this helpful,

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Ness

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Hi Ness,

Following our session this week I am using the external zones and double backs to place a face frame around a cabinet. What I am struggling with is the top rail. In our session the top rail is flush to the underside of the top,therefore extending above the face of the top of the cabinet (as do the sides). However in most applications I would like the top rail to be flush with the top face of the cabinet (the same as the bottom rail and cabinet bottom). As the external zones are created externally i’m not sure how this would work?

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Tom

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