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Ness

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March 23, 2019 - 7:09 am
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Hi Tom,

We are releasing Polyboard v7 in couple of weeks. This new version has a couple of new commands that should make it easier to mange face frames. Notably a lateral zones command that will allow us to put panels into the space around the main carcass, as well as a possibility to associate automatically a specific structure to a specific panel type.

We haven't yet had time to think about how to use these features in face frame construction so I can't give you specific details yet but if you send an email request to Stefan he can give you an early download link for Polyboard and a beta version of the Quick Design libraries.

I'll be looking into this next week so if you can bear with me we should be able to get a face frame method working a bit better very soon.

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Hi Ness and Alex,

So I have worked on this using both methods. With alex method  I created library panel structure and fittings to suit our own methods. I then found the building of cabinets pretty quick and easy. I dont' however like the fact that the nil material (at 2mm) is shown in the exploded drawing and reduces the interior space by 2mm each side. Could this potentially lead to other problems? 

With your method Ness I very much like the ability to manipulate the position of the frame relative to the panels using the double backs. The lost functionality of the doors/ hardware etc makes this less favourable.

One main problem I can't get round with either method is how to join multiple cabinets together. One method I have tried is to make a cabinet with both left and right stiles, another with just the left, and another with just the right. With some tweaking I thought this may work but they don't clip (snap) to each other (probably because of the overlaps/ recesses etc). 

I also noticed than when using Alex method something dimensionaly was not right. Using 18mm panels, 40mm bar and a 2mm overlap from bar to panel, the side panels should butt up to each other without a gap. This is not the case. There seems to be a gap between the sides. I have attached the cabinets and project file.

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Tom

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Hi Tom and Alex,

Here's another way to create your cabinet.

Add double back flush to front and grooved into top, bottom and sides.

Create a framed structure on the double back and then apply surface split to the inner panel.

Apply a framed structure each inner panel.

You should get this:

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The position of the face frame to the box can be adjusted using the groove penetration of the double back into the side.

The disadvantage over Alex's method is that you can't add hardware, hinges etc. between the door and the box.

We will be able to improve this with the next version of Polyboard 7 using a new feature called External zones.

We''ll be testing this in the near future.

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Ness

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hi again,

sorry i forgot file...

Tickness split for nil panel

Attached cab edit and another like your PDF

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All the best, Alexandre

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Hi Alexandre,

So I have extended the stiles as you suggested. I am however lost as to either how to use the surface split command on the top or somehow gain flexibility in the position of the stile with the panel. The options are either front, back or centered. I can overlap the top panel by 2mm each side, but then i cant move each side panel. I have attached the model.  

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Hi Alaxandre,

I'm not entirely sure what you mean?

I have attached a drawing of a cabinet that is similar in what I ma trying to achieve.

I would like to extend the left and right stiles either in line with the bottom rail or past it (as shown in the drawing)

I would also like the left and right stiles to sit 2mm from the front edge of the panel it attached to (sitting 2mm proud of panel as shown in drawing).

 

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Hi,

To do this if I understood correctly

1* on the Top it will be necessary to create a "Tickness split" with a dummy material (Nil 2mm 100% transparency)

2* on side you must set the Overlap from Top -2mm and then on Cross-Bar 60-18=-42mm

Attached your edited cabinet

All the best, Alexandre

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Hi, I am just trying to set up a standard cabinet of ours using face frames. I think i have got as far as i can but would need to do the following to make a correct cabinet.

The left and right stiles (frame) need to extend down in line with the bottom rail. Ideally the overall of the top and bottom panel would be 2mm when using 18mm material. And finally the fittings are currently in line with the frame work and not the panel. Is this just something I can change in rules?

I have attached the model

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