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Gardner Stair Design
March 9, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

Dotted lines on steps show the riser positions, on the left curved string the dotted line is the development of the outer face.

On handrail drawings the dotted lines show the baluster penetration and on the newel posts the position of strings and handrails.

Have fun building this, and looking forwards to seeing some photos.

All the best,

Ness

March 8, 2017
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Hey Ness,

Thankyou very much, I will keep you guys updated with some progress photos. Couple of quick questions from reading through the drawings. In the parts PDF there are dotted lines and solid lines drawn where different components intersect. Can I assume that the dotted areas are just butt joints doweled and the solid areas are notched?

On the Step pages there is a dotted line outside of the step dimension. What is this? Pg 2-51.

On left stringerboard #1 pg 19 and cut string # 1 pg 27 what are the dotted lines here representing?

Thanks again and I look forward to getting into this one.smile

March 8, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

Here are the manufacturing documents.

Hope the build goes OK.

Keep us update.

All the best,

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March 8, 2017
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That’s great thanks Ness

March 8, 2017
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Hi again,

Would this be OK:

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Hi Ness,

I would prefer to extend the flight as the right of the landing is in line with a step down and leaving a gap would leave a ledge.

March 8, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

If we leave the stair as it is you can move it towards the beam and this will leave an extra space on the right of the landing of 80mm (3750-3670). As the corner post is off set 25m from the string the actual distance from the edge of the stair well at 3750 will only be 55mm.

Would this be OK or would you prefer to extend the 2nd flight the extra 55mm?

If so I’ll send the manufacturing files.

cheers,

Ness

March 8, 2017
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That look fine. Thanks Ness,

March 8, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

I wouldn’t notch the string into the beam.

I would suggest that you fix a wooden block in between the beam flanges, add a packing up to the back of the riser  and screw the last riser through the packing to the block. If the string is screwed to the riser and the wall string to the far wall this will fix the stair at the top.

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This would make the total stair length 3750, behind the last step.

What do you think?

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Ness

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March 7, 2017
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Hi Ness,

I have 3750mm from the beam edge to the step. This I believe is your measurement of 3670.

I would then see the stringers notching into the web of the steel beam, see attached photo. The dimensions here are 45mm x 157 with a 6.5mm flange.

The Landing step would be on top of this beam.Top-of-Stair-Steel-Beam.jpg

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March 7, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

Thanks for this information, before I process can you just check the sizes on this plan:

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My main concern would be the total length of the back flight which is 3600 from the out side of the right hand string to the last nosing, not including any landing step, is this correct?

Stringers are extended 70mm beyond the last nosing and this step is 150mm wide.

If all is OK I can send the working documents.

All the best,

Ness

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March 7, 2017
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Hi Ness,

Sorry I though I had replied to this. I will be building these by hand so the simpler the construction the better. Design look great.

No need for any special layering. Let meknow if you need anything further. Looking forward to getting started on them.

March 5, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

One last point before I process the manufacturing files.

Can you tell me if you are going to cut and machine the parts by hand or with a CNC?

If you are using CNC, do you need the PDF full size templates ?

DXF files can be set up to have specific layer names to help with CNC tool pathing, do you need this to be set up?

All the best,

Ness

March 5, 2017
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Thanks Ness,

That looks great. Lets go with this. I think there will be a little width and length adjustments to make before I do the final build however I can change these manually.

If you do output cad files I can also modify these myself.

Thanks for you assistance. Hopefully I can make it look as good as the design.

March 4, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

In this case I would create a start with an opening only to the left, a bit like this:

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this is just a mock up as StairDesigner doesn’t let you shape the steps. In reality I would export the StairDesigner DXF file to CAD and adjust the details like this:

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In fact in IMHO the actual detailing of the first steps can be set up in CAD to your own tastes. On the first 2 steps goings and step shapes can be tweaked aesthetically without worrying to much about stair rules.

Note that although I do this CAD you can also just print a full size drawing and do it by hand!

If this design suits you I can send you the files and you can work from there.

All the best,

Ness

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March 2, 2017
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Hi Ness,

I am happy with the bull nose, however with the location and setup we have we will need to keep the right hand handrail and banister. There is a step down in the floor immediately to the right of this flight.

Other than that I have no problems with what you have done

March 2, 2017
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Hi Ryan,

Sorry I’ve taken a bit of time to reply, I’m very busy these last days and I actually wanted to take a bit of time to get into your project.

Although I think that your stair will work structurally I wouldn’t personally build the starting steps like this.

To make a more elegant start there are several options the simplest would be to make a couple of bull nosed steps like this:

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This is less work than building a curved stringer, but IMHO gives a more harmonious result.

The tech details would require a bit of drafting in Draftsight. 

Other options are possible but depend on the time you want to spend.

What do you think?

All the best,

Ness

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February 28, 2017
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Thanks Michel,

That looks great. I don’t think there is anything else needed unless you can advise anything different.

I’ll wait for Ness to have a look and see if anything else needs to change.

February 28, 2017
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Hi Ryan ,

sorry . File attached now

regards

Michel

February 27, 2017
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Thanks Michel,

You don’t appear to have attached any files. My plan is just to use pine and paint it white for the stringers and handrails. The stairs will be carpeted and it has been suggested that I just use Chipboard, but I was thinking of going pine or ply to ensure they last.

The only other thought was to perhaps have a hard wood outer stringer for looks. The curved stringer I will possibly make with ply by cutting the back of it. Or I’ll just make it straight.

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