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Handrail Routers
September 22, 2016
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Hi again,

Just a thought… here’s a blog article that show’s a wreathed rail being built and moulded.

http://stairdesignsoftware.net…..l-3rd-part

All the best,

Ness

September 15, 2016
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Hi Scott,

The handrail router jig looks like a fixed version of the Scheer router and I’m sure that it’s easier to push the handrail through the jig  than moving the router over the rail as with Scheer.

The portable spindle or French spindle called “Toupie Resch”is sold by a French company, here a link to a sales page:

http://www.dmb-webstore.com/to…..7.z.fr.htm

they are expensive but you can pick them up very cheap second hand over here:

http://www.site-annonce.fr/toupie-resch

All the best,

Ness

September 14, 2016
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Try this link. It will take you to the post that has links to the pictures.

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/sh…..Router-Jig

September 14, 2016
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Ness,
 
Thanks for getting back with me. I’ve been doing finish carpentry for the past 20yrs. I enjoy doing radius casing, archways, curved staircases. Although the curved railings I have done were premilled. This is what has intrigued  me about your process. 
I’m not familiar with the spindle routers. Do you know if they are available in the US?
I understand the limitations you mentioned about the Scheer.
I have done a little digging and came across this homemade version.
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Do you think something like this could be a viable option?

Scott

September 13, 2016
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Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting on the forum.

Sorry to reply so late but I’ve actually been away on holiday this last week, so just back to the office yesterday.

Milling wreathed profiles is a tricky problem.

I’ve never used nor seen working in real life the Scheer handrail moulder. It’s an expensive bit of kit and will require a specific router bit per profile.

The only video of this machine in use shows it milling a curved handrail:

I do the milling of curved rails on a spindle moulder with a curved guide, much faster and cleaner than the Scheer router.

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In my opinion the Scheer router will work on slow twisted rails but as most of my projects include tight twists and often custom profiles I’ve never considered using this router.

The only other machine that I know of that specialises in this is this one:

This probably works faster but has the same limitations as the Scheer router.

In France where I live and work we have 2 machines that work well for this type of milling, the horizontal spindle and the portable spindle. These machines require some dexterity to use and can be very dangerous so not sure they meet all the safety standards in other countries and they probably don’t meet the French standards either….

The horizontal spindle moulder :

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I personally use the safer portable spindle moulder or toupie Resch

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Here’s a link to an article on our stair blog where you can see a couple of photos of me using this machine to build a wreathed rail:

http://stairdesignsoftware.net…..tair-parts

By the way, you’ll find a lot of information on curved stair and handrails on this blog…

To keep the full length free for machining, I hold the wreath by screwing bolts into the under side and holding the screws in 2 tilting vices.

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This rail is made using my laminated sections technique, a fast clean and simple way of making wreathed rails on metal rails, but the milling principle applies for any twisted form.

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As these machines work with a small radius spindle that acts as the guide they can get into very tight curves. The only common situation where they can’t work is in a volute and in this case you have to sculpt free form by hand.

They also use flat cutters that I can make myself for any profile which makes them great for renovation work where every profile is different.

Of course today wreaths can be cut and milled on a 5 axis CNC but the programming is quite a headache.

I think that although CNC is great if you have several parts that are the same, it’s not adapted to renovation work where a stair might be need 20 parts all different with a specific profile to match an existing rail.

So these are my thoughts on this today. I hope that they are of interest to you.

Can you tell us a bit more about yourself and the work you do?

All the best,

Ness

September 9, 2016
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Hi Everyone,

I have been enjoying learning about wreathed handrails. I’m not seeing much about milling the profiles. What types of routers can be used.  I have been looking at a Scheer. Has anyone used one? Would appreciate some input.

Thanks,

Scott

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