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Single stringer Horizontal Laminate Project
March 18, 2017
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Hi Donald,

The actual thickness of each laminate is of no real importance. They can be the same thickness or different.

The best way to proceed, is to make up basic blocks that are very slightly over on riser height. In this way these blocks can be calibrated to the exact height by putting them through a thickness planer.

In general I make the first laminate of each block the same thickness as a step and set it back so that the step engages into the stringer.

This means that calibration must remove material from the laminate on the upper side and not the step thickness laminate.

Hope this is helpful.

Ness

March 15, 2017
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Hi Ness,
I would like to use typical framing lumber at the local Home Depot to make a horizontal laminate stringer. This means using 1 and 5/8″ thick Doug Fir that is 51/2″, 71/2″, 91/2″, or 11&1/2″ wide stock, based on whatever width is needed from the stair plan.
From what I’ve read in your site it says to follow a stair plan cutting list with all the lumber planned down (dimensional) to a thickness that is equal to the rise of each step divided by the number of layers in each step. So in other words if we had a 7″ rise and used 1″ dimensionalized lumber there would be 7 layers laminated for each step and each laminated step is equal.
Now the question. If I’m right above then wouldn’t it work to use 4 layers of the 1 5/8″ stock with one dimensionalized layer in the middle that is 1/2″ thick to get to the 7″ rise per step? This assumes consistency in the thickness of stock lumber
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March 15, 2017
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Hi Ness,
Good advice! It sounds like a horizontal laminate stringer can be outside in the weather if it has cladding, the right glue, and a good weather sealing paint. Maybe adding counter sunk threaded metal rods with washers and nuts instead of wood dowels could also be part of the answer.
Ness this idea is my way of bringing something to market that will not be a low cost to the customer and also low profit. But I think it’s a way for me to learn how to do the techniques of stair building that you teach.
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Don

March 15, 2017
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Hi Donald,

It will always be easy to change the design in StairDesigner. However, the manual drafting of the horizontal laminates will have to be redone each time.

As well as the shape of the stair, the actual shape of each laminate is dependant on the step heights and going. If these are only changed slightly it’s possible to reuse the original plans as a work base, so we might gain an hours work. However, as soon as changes become more important it quickly requires redrafting.

I’ve never left this type of laminated string out in the weather, so I don’t know how well they last.

In general I would never expose laminated parts to rain and sun and big temperature variations. I always try to at least shelter wooden parts.

One has to keep in mind that wood will always expand and contract with moisture no matter what glue is used. If it can’t break a glue line it will break itself ans split and crack. As these laminated parts are cross grained, if assembled with water resistant glue, it’s unlikely they come apart, but they will certainly split and crack if exposed to water, sun and varying temperatures.

This can be minimised by paint or better by cladding the steps and stringer with water proof material like zinc or copper.

Hope this is helpful.

All the best,

Ness

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March 14, 2017
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Hi Ness,
I have an idea that I need your opinion on. When we work together and get the plans and cutting list for the horizontal laminate stringer for my vacation house then I hope to try and market a copy of that to people here in North Carolina that want outside stairs to their 2nd story decks? These stairs will all go in their back yards. Granted I may have to use differrent glue because it will be outside and their total rise and run will be different but could I keep reusing this stair file and sell the same stair if I only needed to make slight changes in stair designer?
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March 14, 2017
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Hi Ness,
Thanks! I’ll be ordering some time with you in the near future. I will likely do it just before July. In July I go to another state where I’m building a little vacation house and that’s where this horizontal laminate stringer will be used. I could do a different kit stair there but I’m trying to find ways to learn by doing projects that teach me with your system. As soon as I can I do want to build these stairs for customers. I’m uncomfortable trying to learn this kind of stair building on a customer’s home. If you screw up there you get a bad name. This stair won’t need the finish veneer, or curved hand rails, or any fancy stuff on my home. Just the center stringer and the treads. So the whole thing will be paint grade quality. I want to close now but follow up with a couple general questions

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Don

March 14, 2017
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Hi Donald,

It’s difficult to give and exact time but I would roughly say 4 hours of work.

This would include the revision of the initial design and drafting of the cutting pattern of the laminates.

We could do this for you you would need to buy a 4 hours support pack from here:

https://wooddesigner.org/training-service/

Hope this is helpful,

All the best,

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March 13, 2017
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Hi Ness,

If I have the following design in Stair Designer can you tell me what it would take in hours of your time to help me finish so that I can get to the horizontal laminate center cut stringer PDF template?  I see now you guys are giving us premium support guys a little break with the stair file service. 

This stair will be in an 80″ x 80″ area on the back of the house which goes from bottom to top floor.  Total rise 104″, 14 risers @ 7 and 7/16″ per riser.  Tread length 36″.  The handrail will be simple.  Just added to the perimeter wall.  Like in pic in previous post.

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February 24, 2017
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Hi Donald,

Your are correct. You can just buy the StairFile service and draft up the laminates using the video guide.

The video explains drawing the curved sections only because in the straight sections all the laminates are the same, so very easy.

Hope this helps,

All the best,

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February 24, 2017
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Hi Michel,

So to be clear I guess I can order a ” stair file service” for 95 pounds and get me to the point that if I can go into the CAD  software and do what Ness is showing in this video:

https://wooddesigner.org/members/stairs-extended/design-curved-parts/horizontal-laminates-in-cad/

I can get myself to the point that I can get the central cut stringer with horizonal laminate templates made ( i.e. a cutting list).  Would you say I am right here?  Granted Ness’s video above deals primarily with the curved sections but I would say the straight sections are not near as difficult.

Would you say I am right here?   If so are there other training videos I am overlooking that I should be looking at?

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February 24, 2017
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Hi Michel,

So it seems that the stair file service might get me part way there.  Just some more work needed in a CAD to get the rest of the way.

Right?

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Don

February 24, 2017
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Hi Donald,

A stairfile service cost 95 GBP. This is around 113 usd. The setup is that you draw the stair on our software the way you like it to be. We can assist you while you are drawing your stair if you have any questions or difficulties. Once your stair drawing is ready we do a detailed revision of your stair design so that the build is ensured in the best way. After this you get from us all the documents and files needed.

With these files you can start drawing your horizontal laminates to create your stringer. Also, if you have questions we can assist you. The only thing is if you do not want to do it yourself then we can do it for you completely and this is coming with a cost of the time spend.

So the cost can be 95 GBP for the project unless you request us to do the laminates for you there will be an extra charge.

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February 23, 2017
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Hi Ness,

Well I would sure love to make stairs for customers but at a price of 450  pounds for 4 hours of your service and a quote of 4 to 8 hours it appears it would cost me $500 to $1000 for for me to get to a cutting list for my horizontal laminate stringer. Sorry but I pay that  much for plans here in the USA for a small house project.  Unless you have some direction on how I can rework a stair file for making just this stringer and treads then I see no way I can use your service because it is too expensive. 

Sincerely,

Don Gee

February 23, 2017
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Hi Donald,

A Stair File service will give you the plans from a StairDesigner project but the set up of the stair and the drafting of the horizontal laminates is not included in the service.

The drafting of the laminate shapes requires taking the StairDesigner DXF and reworking the string plans and developments in CAD.

This takes a bit of time and we will have to charge you the time spent. This also varies from project to project but can usually fit in to 4 or maximum 8 hours of work.

To buy this extra service I suggest you buy a 4 hours support pack to complement the StairFile.

Support packs are available here:

https://wooddesigner.org/training-service/

All the best,

Ness

February 22, 2017
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Hi Ness,

I understand that with the stair file service I can get what I need to make my “single stringer horizontal laminate” project.  I have looked at all the links I can find about doing this and it doesn’t seem like it will be too difficult with normal tools.  Will the plans and dxf file be sufficient to make the kind of stringer I need?  Do you need anything more than the following basics?

Total Height of the Stair:  104″

Area of the Stair:  76″ x 76″ ( in an enclosed area where enter stair through a doorway)

Number of Stringers: One

Length of each Treads: 36″ ( note:  each tread can die into the outside wall )

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February 22, 2017
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I’m going to check with Ness about ordering stair file service for my project

don gee

February 22, 2017
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I have connection problems so replying here is difficult

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February 22, 2017
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Hi Michel,

yes some things missing I can’t write long or forum won’t take my reply

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don

February 21, 2017
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Hi Donald,

your last post is missing something I guess. What Ness said is correct. We can assist you in the use of stairdesigner if you encounter issues you have no answer on  but you will need the plans and dxf file to start drawing the horizontal laminate cutstring and build the stair. For this you will need to buy the stairfile service. Also a detailed revision of your stair will be done by us to ensure the best possible build 

After this you can start drawing and defining the horizontal laminates for your stringer using our free cad draftsight or any other cad program if you already have one. 

you can use all video examples and tutorials to start the horizontal laminates. If you prefer us to do it for you then there is an extra cost as this is not included in the stairfile service

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Michel

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Hi Michel,

my application of the horizontal laminate single stringer is as follows

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