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Stari files for Herc
April 18, 2018
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Hi Jamie,

Your stair looks good. You can add a wreathed rail in which case you’ll also have to build a wreathed string.

You should be aware that this will add a lot of time to the design and build.

Of course this will also impact the price of the project. The extra time will depend on your skills and experience as well as the tools and method that you’ll use to build these parts. Therefore it will be impossible for us to tell you how much extra you’ll have to add.

If you have no experience in wreathed parts, you’ll also need to buy some 1 to 1 training so that we can take the time to coach you throughout the design process.

In all cases can you start a new thread for this project so that it doesn’t get mixed with you last project?

In the meantime you’ll have to decide how you are going to build the part so have a look at the articles on building wreathed parts on our stair blog:

https://stairdesignsoftware.net/category/building-laminated-curved-stairs

all the best,

Ness

April 12, 2018
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Ness said
Hi Jamie,

Of course we can assist you in designing your stair and 2 weeks should be enough to get a price for you client.

However, wreathed rails and strings maybe a bit more tricky and time consuming.

Can you post a plan of the stair so we can take a look?

all the best,

Ness   

thanks ness,

because of the tight stairwell, I am thinking maybe a wreathed handrail is’t going to work after all. have a look anyway ad let me know what you think

April 12, 2018
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Hi Jamie,

Of course we can assist you in designing your stair and 2 weeks should be enough to get a price for you client.

However, wreathed rails and strings maybe a bit more tricky and time consuming.

Can you post a plan of the stair so we can take a look?

all the best,

Ness 

April 8, 2018
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Hi ness,

its been over a year now since we chatted about a stair project and now I have another in the planning stages.

are you available to assist me in generating plans for a quarter turn stair? I have appox. 2 weeks to get a price to the client. Is this enough time? I can build the stair no problem if I use a newal post on the inside corner but I feel this would be a great opportunity to make a wreathed handrail and stringer for which I would need your assisitance.

February 16, 2017
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Hi Jamie,

We can’t really send you a refund but as I was away from the office and a bit long in answering for this project, I suggest we just leave your StairFile purchase as credit for your next stair.

All the best,

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February 15, 2017
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Hi Ness,

I appreciate you work into staircase for me; however i am basically done the stair already. I was not able to wait for the drawings. I look forward to sending you more drawings and i will definitely get them to you a couple of weeks before i need them.

I guess because i have already paid for them then you can can send them anyway or if i can get a refund that would be good to. I do have another stair in the pricing stage; maybe there’s a chance i can get drawings for that stair instead. let me know and thanks

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Hi everyone,

Michel has done a great job on optimising this stair for Jamie.

I really like his design tweaks.

I have just created a version that pushes the spindles vertically up into the handrail rather than being double beveled.

As they are metal I supposing that this will be easier.

To give a lighter effect, I would make the stings a little narrower than 250mm ie 200mm but this is no big deal you can certainly do as you want.

If this design suits you I can process the files.

All the best,

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February 11, 2017
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Hi Jamie

Also had a look at the joints. I changed them and make it more efficient for the build an view.

I made tenons with lateral , upper and lower recess. In stairbuilding these are not specific for strength but more for exact positioning. Offcourse they are stonger dan a butted connection. They do not have to go that deep. I put it on 15mm depth. This will ease the build. As you are using screws on the backside this wil make it strong.

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February 10, 2017
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Hi Jamie

I lined up the newels and removed the handrail that you do not need. Take a look 

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February 10, 2017
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hi again,

there was little tweaking needed with some of the dimensions so here is the final layout. The only thing i need adjusted is to line up the newals on the landing. A quick look at joinery and then lets get those drawings. thanks

February 10, 2017
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Hi Jamie

I managed to put the newel on the landing and changed the banisters . Is this what you want ?

Ness is the person to have a final look and send the docs

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February 10, 2017
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Hi Jamie,

No problem to ask for your files, it’s rather us that are sorry that we can’t give all the attention we would like to your project at this moment.

As Stefan has said to you we are actually away from our offices this week for CNC training and set up with our CNC partner in the north of England so it’s been a bit hectic getting time and internet connexions to attend to our email and forum request.

I’ve tweaked a bit your project and attach the StairDesigner and PDF file for your validation.

If it’s all OK I can send you the other files this evening.

All the best,

Ness

February 9, 2017
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hi again,

i am sorry to bit of nag, i was hoping that i could get these drawings sometime today. I realize its evening out your way already..

thanks in advance

jamie

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i was also wondering if the newals on the landing could line up with each other

February 9, 2017
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HI,

Yes everything looks good, just a couple of minor changes; the half newal that is against the wall i would like to place on the landing .

the balusters are 12.5mm x 12.5mm or 1/2″ x 1/2″ square metal and need to be centered 1″ from edge of the stair. the treads are 38″ wide and the strings are 36″ total width apart(to fit in a 36″ stairwell opening). the lower stair may need to be a bit narrower so that the tread run is the same for both flights of stairs. With these changes, please go ahead and make up blueprints thanks

February 9, 2017
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Hi Jamie

I looked at it and if it works for you it’s fine. I just did some minor changes in the string width as it was a little oversized. In general you should have a minimum width of 200 to 250 mm. This is measured from the back of the step perpendicular to the stringer lower end. ( smallest width in the stringer). 

Sorry I speak in millimeters ;-))

the banisters are a little small so i changed it to a width of 30 mm but that is up to your needs.

I also move the first newel as the second banister on the first step was missing. This is due to the distance calculation.

I am not able to provide documents . Thid has to come from Ness . So if it looks ok for him you will get them. 

Have a nice bild 🙂

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February 8, 2017
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hi ness,

i have drawn another stair in version 7 of stair designer(wow, looks good) to illustrate what i am meaning with a cut string. If the joinery looks good on this stair and the cut string is heavy duty enough then i think we will go ahead and get some drawings made up.

Lets not worry about the top of the stair. that will require some custom mods that are not worth me trying to convey in way that you can understand.

thanks for now.

maybe ill send you some pictures of the final project

February 8, 2017
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hi ness, 

That would be a great way to go and one that i wish was an option. The unfortunate part of this project is that the contractor did not get me involved soon enough and left me with the minimum code of 36″ wide to work with. I am not able to make the stair any narrower than 36″. I only need a handrail on one side but i do need a balustrade at least up the floor joist on both sides. Did those drawings i sent illustrate my project or were you not able to open them.

The only other thing i was thinking could work is if i made a cut string instead of a housed string board. then i could narrow the distance between strings to fit inside the stairwell but leave my treads to overhang so that my balustrade could terminate under the floor joists.

To do this i would need to know if 2 – 11 1/2″ deep x 1 5/8″ wide cut strings are strong enough to support the load.

February 8, 2017
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Hi Jamie,

I would suggest that you reduce the width of the second flight by 2 inches.

This would make it possible to add 2 newels to the arrival. The lateral off sets of the newels being 15/16 the posts would be up against the wall and the handrails would leave a gap of 1″ between to wall.

The flight remains of reasonable width and slope.

The newels could be fixed to the joist at the arrival.

I attach a possible model with a 3 inch wide landing step added.

Best regards,

Ness

February 8, 2017
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hi ness, 

i thought i would take the time to explain why i chose to mount the stringers under the floor joists instead of in between which would be more typical.

Because there is no support under the stair i thought it was necessary to have a housed stringer rather than a notched stringer. what happens then is my handrail would be right against the wall at the top of the stairs.(because we want the balustrade centered in the housed stringer) If i just offset that top portion of handrail, then my balusters wouldn’t be in the center of the stringer anymore. If i keep the balusters in the center of the stringer then there is no way to terminate the balusters because the handrail is offset.

so i decided to move the stringer under the floor joist so i had a good way of terminating the balusters and then i offset the handrail and mount to the wall at the top.

If you have a suggestion on how to better solve the balustrade issue, then please send some advice.thanks.

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