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Starfile_J.Lennartsson
June 16, 2016
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Hi,

Following our last telephone conversation and the adjustments made to your project, here are the modified manufacturing files.

Don’t hesitate to get back to me if you have any questions.

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Hi Joakim,

Here are your manufacturing files.

I have set back the step nosing housings 10mm and the step back edge 18mm. I have extended the the housings 8mm to the front and back to compensate for the rounded corner of the 16mm router bit.

However this only leaves of course, 2mm of the nosing covering the empty part of the housing, I hope this is enough for you.

Tell me if you need adjustments.

I have set up the layer names as required.

Note that you’ll have to add the assembly details in CAD or WoodWop.

All the best,

Ness

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Thanks for the files. Made some small changes on the inside corners. We will use that file unless you notice something bad. Not 100 percent sure on assembly but we will try it out.

We use a 16mm bit. 10mm front extended pocket(less for profiled stepnose) and 18mm rear.

Layernames we could use if you have time to set it up.

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Base panel = Werkstk_40Aufmass10Versatz5

OUTLINE = V_Fraes_-3T102L

RISER_GROOVING = F_Tasche_10_T102

BACK_STEP = V_Saeg2_43_T145

Stringer

Base panel = Werkstk_40Aufmass10Versatz5

OUTLINE = V_Fraes_-3T103L

step notch = F_Tasche_17_T102

riser notch = F_Tasche_17_T102

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June 13, 2016
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Hi Joakim,

Here’s a StairDesigner 6 project set up to your specifications.

I need more information on you machine set up and the exact layer names required to set up the DXF output to import directly with auto-tooling into WoodWop DXF.

Can you check through the attached project and tell me if this suits your needs.

If it’s ok I can process and send you the DXF files.

Just tell me the diameter of the router bit being used for the step housings so that I can extend the pockets.

If you want me to set up the layer names for Wood Wop please send me the technical information on the required syntax.

When checking the project file, please be careful as we can only process once and will charge you and extra StairFile for a second set of manufacturing documents.

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Hi Joakim, apologies if there is a delay in replying. Ness is doing on site training all day today and tomorrow.

June 13, 2016
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Hi,

Please tell me if you need more info. If there is a lot of set up time for woodwop layernames we could try that next time.

Regars,

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stringer thickness (they are actually 50mm you might want them a bit thicker for this type of stair)

Stringer thickness 40mm. This may be thin but will probably be thickend on site for the inside stringers.

spindle/baluster section

Handrail dimensions is not 100 percent decided yet. Could you set up something “normal” and we can adjust the dxf files later?
Attached picture of what we often use but probably not in this case.

assembly details for string/handrail to stringers (mortise & tenon or other, I would suggest bolt and dowel)

We prefer dowels and bolts.

front and rear offset value for the step housings.

10mm front and 18mm rear.

distance of newel tops from handrails (to allow for the newel caps)

160mm handrail to top. 160mm string to bottom for newel between flight 2 and 3.

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Hi Joakim,

No problem to set up your stair as required, however can you give me:

  • stringer thickness (they are actually 50mm you might want them a bit thicker for this type of stair)
  • spindle/baluster section
  • assembly details for string/handrail to stringers (mortise & tenon or other, I would suggest bolt and dowel)
  • front and rear offset value for the step housings
  • distance of newel tops from handrails (to allow for the newel caps)

All the best,

Ness

June 8, 2016
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Hi,

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hanks, we will build it as you suggested. Could you set it up the way you think is best and with 120×120 newels with 10mm offset into the stair? (drawing)

I appreciate your tip to use the 5 axis on the risers instead of stringers as well. Is this to siplify programming? We have used cnc for about a year so we are still beginners.

regards,

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Hi Joakim,

Thanks for the photos and information. As I said, it would be better for your stair to model it in StairDesigner 6 as the length of the housings in the DXF files are can be modified.

Can you look at the StairDesigner v6 model that I attach to this post and tell me if it suits your needs.

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It’s not possible to set up a double stringer in StairDesigner so the outer stringer will have to be added afterwards.

On the other hand it’s possible to add the handrails and strings to the existing stair:

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In your case I would build the stair like this.

All the best,

Ness

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Hi, added a drawing and handrail pictures. We preassemble each flight in the workshop so we like riser 6 to be housed in the first flight. Also the inner stringboard in the second flight should have an angle of maximum 45 degrees for the handrail. Straight handrails in this case. width of stringer 260mm.handrail1-3.jpgImage Enlarger

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Hi Joakim,

I’m actually away from my office uptill Wednesday so I can’t give you and indepth reply to your questions.

But briefly….

We can set up the layer names as necessary for WoodWop.

Even using 5 axis I would suggest that you house the stingers vertically and use the 5th axis to adjust the risers.

With StairDesigner 7 you can create export styles as necessary so you can just apply a new style to export with different parameters.

I would be nice to have a drawing with dimensions of the stair well you are working to, as well as eventually some photos, if you have them.

Any other details such as the style of the stair, handrails etc.. will help us advise you better.

Please have a look at the stair models I sent and get back to us.

All the best,

Ness

June 5, 2016
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Hi,
The stair is a continuation on an existing stair and will end up in a newly decorated attic. Last step will be a landing that sits between two rafters. It is not built yet and will be made to fit the stair. We subtracted one hight for that.

Not sure exactly what landing step means. Last flight measurement of 3250 should be to the end of the stringer and not the nosing, which I suspect it is looking at it now.

There will probobly be newels and hand rails on the inside of the stair but we usually put these outside of the stringers. Is this something that is practical to draw in stairdesigner?

I think 10mm extension of the housing would be ok. Its not very clear in this case. We use a 16mm routerbit and there is a profiled stairnose this time that reveals about 12mm of the stringer at 45 degrees. For the recess not to exeed the nosing we will manually remove the 8mm radii on the step.

Also we have a 5 axis homag cnc so we need the angles for the riserspockets. Can we find these in the dxf files or directly from stairdesiger?

Is it possible for me to set up layernames for dxf import into woodwop? Or is this not part of the stairfileservice?

If we bought stairdesigner. Would it be possible, using stairdesigner7, export the steps with recess 25mm and riserthickness 17mm. Then changing manufacturing method to recess 15mm and riserthickness 16mm to export the stringers? We usually have a bit of play between the step and riser to ease assembly.

We will look at the files and get back to you tomorrow.

Regards,

June 4, 2016
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Hi Joakim,

Thanks for buying a StairFile and posting this project.

As the StairFile service includes an in depth review of your project, before processing the stair, can you give me a bit more information?

Could you describe where this stair goes ?

As I see it has no newels or hand rail, is this because it fixed between 2 walls?

Is there a landing step on this stair?

Any information, drawings or photos of the stair well will help me advise you on the best way to set up this project.

In StairDesigner 7 it’s not possible to make the step housings larger than the step. This is a function we have in StairDesigner 6 that is not actually available in v7.

I’ve also quickly set up you stair in v6 this will enable us to export with the step housings extended.

Note that extension of the housings is done in the DXF export file parameters and doesn’t show on the StairDesigner model. Can you tell me the diameter of the router bit so that I can set the correct extension?

Could you have a look at both the v6 and v7 models I’ve attached to this post?

You can tweak both models but if you want the extended housing I suggest you use the v6 model.

All the best,

Ness

June 3, 2016
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My mistake, hope it works better this time.

June 3, 2016
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Hi Joakim, I don’t think the file uploaded. Could you try again? Here’s a link to a video explaining the process just in case: https://vimeo.com/wooddesigner/review/125587934/beb9239e37

Thanks, Stefan

June 3, 2016
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Hi,

I would like a stairFile for the attached stair. Riser height is set similar to an existing stair.

Is it possible to make the stephousing in the stringer larger then the recessed step? We usually have some space for the radii left by the cnc cutter.

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