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Terry. When funds permit, you should invest in a domino. We use them in our workshop for all cabinets and as Jimbouk says, you can index off the last hole.
For fast onsite cabinets we use dominos and kreg pockets on the invisible sides and can knock down cabinets for fast onsite assembly in minutes.
As Ness says, you have to have the work requirement for these as they are not cheap, but if you do a lot of cabinets they are invaluable.
October 4, 2012
Thanks Jimbouk,
That sounds better than biscuits, than with the machine I have at least, have to be set out each biscuit individually.
October 4, 2012
Hi Terry,
I’ve used pocket screws, biscuits, dominos and dowels, and found that they all have their advantages and disadvantages.
I’ve found that pocket screws are great if the pockets are hidden, but don’t like them when I have to plug the pockets. They are great for fixing front frames onto a cabinet from the outside, building a fixed frame that has one side hidden.
Biscuits are good for quick assembly of boards but are no good for narrow parts like frames etc. as they are 60mm long and difficult to position laterally with precision. they are great for assembling edge to edge and at right angles. But not so good when joining divisions, frames, miters.
Dominos are like biscuits but being narrower can be used on frames etc. I haven’t tried the domino XL that looks very good for heavy frames. But not doing a lot of heavy framing I doubt if the hefty investment of over 1000€ will ever tempt me, especially as I have the machinery for traditional mortise and tenons and once set up this is very fast to process a lot of wood.
The thing I don’t like about biscuits and dominos is that you have to mark the position of each joint. I find this tedious and time consuming.
For most small cabinet jobs I use dowels and make a quick throw away jig.
For jobs that need on site assembly I use dowel and cams.
I make a quick throw away cam jig that goes with the dowel jig.
I was going to make a video about this so if it interests you I’ll up it on my priority list.
My main job is stair building so I don’t make loads of cabinets but we do a lot of cabinets and paneling around stairs so my opinion may not be valid for everyone, so please feel free to criticise and disagree with me.
All the best,
Ness
Hi Ness
I did buy the joint genie and have used it a few times….in principal its a good piece of kit. I bought the the one designed for 12mm material which now I realise wasn’t a great idea…….but I was just starting out on cabinet work back then. I now mainly use 18/19mm material for carcasses and 15/16mm for drawers. The 12mm joint genie can be adapted using washers to fit on larger materials such as 18mm but I’ve found that with the washer setup its not 100 per cent accurate on the joints. Maybe something to do with the washers I bought.
The one I bought is also a short bar version which is just about ok to use on small drawers but whilst its cleverly indexes itself off of the bar for easy setup……I wouldn’t want to joint a full height carcase with it as that would be way too time consuming. For alignment on the edges maybe it could be useful backed up with screws where they won’t be seen.
Where I can (on smaller cabinet work and bookcases) I prefer to do most of the machining of parts, edgbanding and painting at my workshop and then install. On bigger jobs such as wardrobes and any work which is “up the stairs’ or has access that prohibits pre assembly I’m looking for a better solution than using pre cut divider jigs. Whilst these spacers are cut accurately sometimes Im wondering if a biscuit joiner or indeed the famous domino would make much difference and life easier.
Im not one for spending much money if i don’t have to and don’t need the ‘latest’ tool but anyones ideas are welcome.
BTW I recently bought the Kreg mini jig and that has been very useful in certain situations.
All the best
Terry
October 4, 2012
Hello Terry,
The domino is a very neat tool but very expensive.
I see that you have tried the Joint genie and didn’t like it, can you tell me why?
I have only seen it demoed on youtube and thought it looked a good idea, it works a lot like the dowel jigs I make on the fly.
I only make cabinets and furniture occasionally so don’t want to invest heavily in a machine like the domino.
I have a biscuit jointer but often find dowels with a simple jig, faster and more versatile. I can use them now for everything panels, frames, stairs etc just like a domino.
I’m posting a few videos to show how I make a jig. Click here for the first in the series.
And here’s the video on how to make it.
Tell me what you think.
All the best,
Ness
Your welcome to come and use mine if your around south london Terry.
terry said
hi jimIm not yet lucky enough to own the domino…..it is high up though on the list. I was interested in how useful it would be
on this free standing stuff.
Thanks Im sorely tempted yet funds prevail at the moment
Terry
Hi Terry,
You could easily just use glue and dominos and should hold very well.
terry said
Hi JimYes I did think side deco end panels screwed through from the inside with cover caps. to hide the screws but that means taking them up to the top of the desk which may look a bit naff. This method works well on other stuff though but anything with a counter i’m not sure? I reckon I can get by on the joinery on the drawers with a mixture of pocket holes and carcass screws if I’m judicious but need to use this kreg jig a bit more to get comfortable with it.
Im thinking it needs to be either some form of dowel etc or pocket holes through the inside (hidden) with the pocket hole cover caps.
Just out of interest Jim……does the domino need to be backed up by screws etc or can you just cut the mortices and it all fits together?
Cheers Jim
Terry
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