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Design Questions: additional newel posts and straight tread
March 24, 2017
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Hi Andrew,

Here are your files.

I hope you have fun building it.

If you can take some photos we would love to see how things go.

All the best,

Ness

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March 24, 2017
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Hi Ness,

Michel kindly picked up my last query and made a small change to deal with it, and then made an improvement which I would like to adopt.

It is all in the attached .stair file and I’d be pleased if you could regenerate the pdfs and the dxf file as before.

I imagine this will be the last iteration. I certainly hope so.

Cheers

Andy

March 24, 2017
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Hi Andy ,

the only thing that changed is in the angles of the stringers. Very small change . Also the height of a post has changed but this is not changing any crucial dimension. The lenght of the banisters has also adapted to the new situation but it remains the same stair in the same volume. 

personaly I prefer version 4 attached. You have to choose. There I changed the right stringer on the first flight to curved as also the handrail. Don’t worry as this is a very short stringer in reality it remains straight but the result looks better as the stringer as some firm base on the floor and the next advantage is that all banisters from both flights have now the same dimensions. So it is up to you now.

Ness is the person to provide you the needed documents. As he requested post the file that you take as final (v3 or v4 ) and request the docs.

Have a nice build 😉

regards

Michel

March 24, 2017
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Hi Michel,

if you are confident that that has not changed anything else, could I please ask you to regenerate the pdfs and the dxf file from your new version. I do not need the pdfs for the templates.

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Andy

March 24, 2017
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Hi Andy ,

This is because you chosed the stringer to be straight per part . I changed it to straight and now all are equal

regards

Michel

March 24, 2017
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Hi Ness,

Thanks for that. I have printed the pdfs and am busy checking what I can. I think that, assuming the basic design is correct, ie every fits together, then I will be able to get what I need for marking out from CAD.

The first thing to strike me is that it appears that the handrail over the upper right stringer does not run parallel to the stringer. If you look at the banister lengths, you’ll see they reduce from 864.4mm to 833.9mm. I can’t think of another explanation for it. Why would that happen?

I think that, assuming the basic design is correct, ie every fits together, then I will be able to get what I need for marking out from CAD.

Cheers

Andy

March 24, 2017
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Hi Andrew,

Here is the DXF plan and PDF workshop document.

The best way to verify dims is to use CAD to measure the DXF plan.

You’ll also have to load the DXF files into CAD to add dimensions to mark up your parts.

To make sure we process the correct version of your project, when you have the correct design please post the final StairDesigner file with the explicit request for processing, as this will be last full set of plans we can send you.

All the best,

Ness

March 24, 2017
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Hi Ness,

It did need more attention than anticipated. That’s true but I think you know that I will need both dxf file and pdfs to be able to complete the stair.

As we have seen already, it was not easy to validate the stair without reference to the generated documents. i am hoping that Michel and I have now thrashed it out to the point where it will be right. I can check that with reference to the PDFs.

As far as setting out the work is concerned, I will not be using templates. so I need sufficient measurements. I don’t see them in the PDFs and so I suppose I will have to load a dxf file into a CAD program and learn how to use that to calculate all the measurements I need.

Please send them as soon as you are able.

Thanks

Andy

March 24, 2017
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Hi Andrew,

We only send the complete set of manufacturing drawing once for a each stair file so please make sure that your project is as you want it before requesting them.

In your case we have already sent a set of drawings but as your project is complex and requiring quite  lot of tweaking, I’ll make an exception and offer you one more full set of drawings.

If you need to verify dimensions I can send you either a 2D DXF file or the PDF workshop document, please tell me which you would like.

All the best,

Ness

March 22, 2017
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Hi Michel,

OK, if that is how it works then OK. It means that the long length of flight #2 is 3089mm plus 30mm nosing, plus 30mm of face plate which is 3149mm, which is the space we have to fill.

I have changed the upper and lower recess on the link from step 15 to newel to 5mm as elsewhere.

Could you regenerate the drawings and I will check it again.

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Andy 

it is 2269mm . What you see is the flight 2239 but you have to add the 30 mm nosing from the landing . So now the total length as it is drawn is 2269mm. Stairdesigner is taking measure to the start of the landing.

Look again I told you that i add the landing in the stairwell with 30mm nosing. When you click on the flight you read 2239 mm but there is still a 30 mm nosing to be added and that you can see on the drawing. This is correct to me.

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Michel

March 21, 2017
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Hi Michel

Sorry but it is not good. What you have done is shorten flight #2 from 2269mm to 2239mm. I want it at 2269mm so that when I bolt on the 30mm plate it will then be the original length of 2299mm which is the available space.

But, of course, all non-kite steps, including step 15 should have the same width.

I really do think that removing the landing step would simplify things and prevent the software from making decisions that alter the design in ways that are not helpful.

When i added the 5mm upper and lower recess on step 15 link to newel post 5, it looks correct, assuming that the tread width is good.

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Andy 

this one should be the good one. I put the landing inside the stairwel on 30mm nosing. All steps are now the same . The 30 mm shortening is divided between all steps.

regards

Michel

March 21, 2017
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Hi Michel

When I open your file Staircase-La-Brizaude-21.03.2017-1.stair. I DO NOT see the step, stringers and newel aligned at the rear. There is a 30mm length beyond the last step on both stringers and then newel post sticks out, also probably by 30m, but I have no way of knowing for sure.

I am sending you a version where I changed the length beyond last step to 0mm and where I have set the longtitudinal offset for newel #5 to -45m in an attempt to bring it in line.

For step 15 I changed the upper and lower recess in the link with the newel post  to 5mm then it looks OK. Like I had it before.

But there is what looks like a 30mm part of the tread which does not engage with the newel in the way I think it does on the plan

I still cannot be sure that width of step 15 is the same as all the other non-kite steps.

Please have a look.

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Andy 

there you see that I aligned the stringers and newel and that step 15 is ok 

Is this how you need it ?

regards

Michel

March 21, 2017
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Hi Michel

Yes I have 7.04A and I have opened the file. I just don’t know what you want me to look at in particular

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Andy 

just go on the website of wooddesigner and download stairdesigner 7 again . It wil update your version to 7.04A and then you will be able to open the stair I send you

regards

michel

March 21, 2017
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Hi Michel

Right, I have opened it. What am I looking at?

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Michel

This is what i get when I try to open Staircase-La-Brizaude-21.03.2017-1.stair see attachment

Cheers

Andy

March 21, 2017
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Hi Andy

just update your version to 7.04A . It is quickly done and then you will see it 

regards

Michel

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